10 Things Your Non-Smoking Friends Won’t Tell You


If you are a smoker, your friends definitely notice. They might not tell you, but your cigarette use is probably getting on their nerves. While your friends might be too nice to tell you the truth, here are 10 things your nonsmoking friends are probably thinking every time you light up.

1. Your Breath Stinks!


After you smoke a cigarette, your breath is horrible. Sitting next to you in a restaurant is brutal because it’s like sniffing an ashtray every time you speak. Mints don’t help either. When you smoke a cigarette and pop a breath mint, it just smells like a minty ashtray.

2. Your House Grosses Us Out


Your house smells bad and we’re pretty sure that cancer is lurking on your coffee table. We know that you can’t possibly go outside when you need a smoke, but we can’t possibly linger in your home because the smell is overwhelming an we are sure the carcinogens are circulating in the air even now.

3. We Don’t Want to Carpool


When it’s time to go somewhere, we have this inner battle going on in our mind. We don’t want to hurt your feelings, but we’d really prefer not to carpool. There is no way we will ride in your car because it smells like a big pile of cigarette butts. But we also don’t want you riding in our car because you will make it stink too.

4. You Hair Smells Bad Even After You Take a Shower


Sorry to harp on the smell again, but your hair really smells bad. It’s like all that smoke just clings to your scalp. Even after you take a shower, we can smell the smoke in your hair and it is baffling to us. Did you smoke in the shower or is the smell just that infused in your hair follicles? Either way, we love you, but your hair stinks.

5. It’s Annoying When You Have to Take Smoke Breaks Constantly


Nicotine addiction must be awful because you are taking smoke breaks every half hour and it’s really annoying. When we want to move on to the next part of the day, we are forced to wait around while you go have yet another cigarette.

6. We Really Don’t Want to Go Outside With You While You Smoke


It’s really nice of you to invite us outside so we can continue our conversation while you smoke, but we’d rather not. The whole reason why you have to go outside to smoke is so that people like us don’t have to inhale the fumes. So why would we voluntarily follow you outside? No thanks.

7. Your Cough is Definitely from Smoking


That chronic, rattily, disgusting cough that you insist is from allergies is actually from cigarettes. You constantly complain about your allergies or speculate that you might have bronchitis or pneumonia, but secretly, we are always thinking that you could just quit smoking and the cough would inevitably disappear.

8. You’re Only Broke Because You Spend Your Money on Cigarettes


It is endlessly annoying when you claim to be broke. We know how much you smoke and we also know how much cigarettes cost. Don’t complain about not having money for rent while chain smoking. You are making yourself look stupid.

9. Yes, We Do Mind if You Smoke Around Us.


Thanks for asking, but it makes us feel awkward when you ask if we mind your smoking. If we ask you not to smoke, you are going to be offended and likely leave early. But if we say it’s fine for you to light up, we are really going to be miserable the whole night. So it’s a losing situation for us. Just be courteous and refrain from smoking around your nonsmoking friends please.

10. Everyone Knows that You Smoke.


You might think that no one knows about your secret smoking addiction, but we’ve got to be honest… everyone knows. No matter how much air freshener you spray on your clothes and car or how many mints you eat, you still smell like cigarettes. Your teeth are kind of yellow from the nicotine and it’s suspicious how you make up excuses to go out to your car every half hour. It’s obvious that you’re a smoker so why are you trying to pretend you’re not?


Jimmy, lover, blogger, vaper and ex-smoker. I’ve been blogging about and supporting Vaping since 2009. They changed my life and I think history will show them as one of the most significant public health invention of the 21st century.

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69 Responses

  1. Non says:

    This. All of this. I have one friend who is an extremely heavy smoker and I’ve become really sensitive to smoke because of it. #7 gave me a chuckle. Do they all do that? She has this cough so bad she can’t hold a conversation, turns blue and puffy, and blames her allergies. It’s ridiculous. Today i used 3 different excuses to not come over to her house and finally had to text her that my lungs hurt from her cigarettes. She has not responded. Ugh!

  2. yourmom says:

    I choose not to be friends with smokers… it’s not fair to choose a friend with an addiction and expect them to just be able to live like a non smoker… It’s deff a deal breaker in the friendship department if someone smokes.

  3. FactChecker says:

    Just to set it straight, a smoker’s teeth aren’t yellow because of the nicotine, it’s because of the “tar” additives in cigarettes. Nicotine is colorless and odorless.

  4. Drew says:

    Hahahaha this is so funny and true. Numbers 1,2,3,5,8 apply to my friend Lol!!! The reason why I found this, is I was asking google, “should I tell my friend his place smells like an ash tray?” He always invites me over but not just reaking, its messy and dirty.

    Someone said being a smoker is a deal breaker in a friendship. Weird. Dating I could understand. But straight up not being friends with someone. Lol wow, douche bag alert.

    • iliarhyn says:

      Not if your allergic to smoke,. I don’t want to breathe 250 toxic chemicals, 69 carcinogens, in 1st, 2nd and unending 3rd hand smoke.
      Do some research.

  5. Anon says:

    I am 16 and live with my grandma and she smokes in the house !!! I always smell no matter what i do and it causes me so much anxiety at school bc numerous people have pointed out the smoke smell. It’s so unfair because I don’t smoke and do NOT plan on it. Oh and when i say something about it she says ” i don’t wanna hear it” or “don’t start” and hacks a lung up . *cough cough*

  6. Lizzy says:

    I totally understand not wanting to go in a house where people smoke it stinks sometimes but a lot of people i know only smoke outside. But some of its ridiculous you know how many people second hand smoke has killed in the world 0 thats right 0 people. And if you stop being friends with someone because they smoke then you werent actually their friend there are tons of things people do besides smoking that i personally cant stand but i dont constantly berate them for it that wouldnt make me a very good person now if ypur friend wants to quit smoking it would be great to help them but dont bw an ass hole because they do something you dont like.

    • Rick Charello says:

      Hi Litzy, could you please provide us with the data and facts that support your claim that 0 that’s right 0 people have died due to second hand smoke.

      Based on the Center of Disease Control:
      Since 1964, approximately 2,500,000 nonsmokers have died from health problems caused by exposure to secondhand smoke.
      It is estimated that secondhand smoke caused nearly 34,000 heart disease deaths each year during 2005–2009 among adult nonsmokers in the United States. Secondhand smoke exposure caused more than 7,300 lung cancer deaths each year during 2005–2009 among

      • FYI says:

        Thanks rick. Someone needed to say that.
        As we all know these crap studies are done by rich people who have their own schemes.

        Example: they can charge you a higher price for life insurance now because you live with a smoker

      • KannaChan says:

        The thing is when smokers disbelieve that second-hand smoking kills, they think it means that no one has breathed in second-hand smoke and drop dead right then and there and thus doesn’t believe it’s dangerous. They don’t understand the concept of something taking a while to kill you.

    • Lana Smiley says:

      Right on! I mean how could a study of 2nd hand smoke as they call it even have been carried out?? Another thing: if they kill all smokers on sight, how will they explain the fact that they are STILL sick and miserable?

      • Mk says:

        “These genes appeared to affect the way lungs grow and respond to injury.

        On the other hand, there were also certain DNA profiles that had a higher risk of COPD, explaining why some people develop the disease despite never having touched a cigarette in their lives.”

        What causes it again? That’s right everyone should tippy toe around worried about everyone else and not do what they want to do because YOU matter most. Because YOU have bad genes it’s everyone else’s problem. Love the mindset people have when it comes to themselves. Don’t get me wrong though, I don’t want to make anyone ill with my smoking and don’t try to. Stay away or move away from people if you are that worried you’re defective or it bothers you illness or not, it won’t bother us one bit.
        It’s kind of like people who use smelly products. I hate that.. wow.. some things you people wear are AWFUL. I’m sensitive to all types of smells, even someones perfume or hair products.. but I deal with it, or move away a bit. Why do I have to be forced to smell you or move? At the same time it’s fine and I will because I respect your right to do those things, I understand and get along fine with people. I don’t insult them or anything, but I don’t like that they can’t control themselves anymore than they don’t like me smoking – tis life. We have compromise sometimes to be human.
        Expert Panel Confirms that Fragrance Ingredient Can Cause Cancer….
        Most the people in these comments are just complaining about certain people that are being rude, or doing what they do normally that you don’t like. Why are you around these people than? Move on. For kids.. well I don’t know your situation but a parent should try to do what they can to keep second-hand smoke away from their children. I doubt it blowing past outdoors you would kill you though unless your sitting in a box held hostage. Both my parents smoked, I dealt with it, nobody cared because almost everyone smoked, even in school nobody cared… it’s how we were. Not today though, god forbid. We used to be able to smoke at school.

  7. Jamal Mahmoud says:

    I believe that smokers have a hard time fighting their addictions. That is what we are constantly fighting—our inner demons. I agree with the writer’s post comments; that vaping has revolutionized how we can use devices to supplement our nicotine cravings.

    Another issue is that we should not be critical of smokers. I am guilty of this crime, my father always gets upset with me when I try to tell him to cut down on smoking. But he loves it so much; and it is sad, because it has been very detrimental to his health. I could see what cigarettes are doing to him. And I hate the fact that it has gotten the best of him.

    Last but not least, we should keep fighting tobacco companies. And we should be inventing new products and services to help people quit or cut down on smoking cigarettes. There is a new product that I invented and it is scented body oils with nicotine. Thank you so much, and the fight continues against Big Tobacco.


  8. Dadsdf says:

    More proof that non smokers are the most annoying people on the earth.

    You’re still going to get cancer from all the pollution in the city that you inhale into your lungs and you’re deluded if you think otherwise.

    Smoking kills less than cars and alcohol but I imagine most of you drive around in cars that pollute and regularly drink alcohol.

    This list is nonsense implying every smoker smokes around people, in their house and in their car. Oh and if your skin and breath smelt after smoking, it’s because you don’t know how to wash properly or clean your teeth.

    • rissaaaa says:

      thank youuu

    • Joe says:

      Are you for f***ing real?!?? My father smokes and within one hour of being in his house if he’s smoked or not my entire clothes and hair are absolutely fucking stinking of that unmistakable disgusting reek!!! To such a point I simply cannot visit my father if I’m wearing my suit or any of my better clothes because i simply can’t have my clothes stinking of that horrible s**t if I then need to meet someone related to work, And then there are people like you who think it’s smells of f***ing roses it stinks of death and so do you !!!

      • Lana Smiley says:

        Wow, Joe…you have some real issues! If all smokers disappeared how would you explain the fact that you’re STILL sick and miserable??

    • Beef Buggerton says:

      What an asinine comment. “You’re going to die of cancer anyway so why shouldn’t it be from inhaling the noxious effluent of my voluntary addiction.” Your selfish inconsideration is breathtaking.

  9. Kar says:

    I don’t believe smoking cigarettes causes cancer. If it did these smokers would be nonexistent. And if it did- What good is it if smoking causes cancer and they live into their 70s – their life is already over other than the fact theyre broke. I wish the federal govt would stay out of it and let more of the poisons in Cigarettes expose the smoker so they die off sooner and leave the world healthier to breath in.

    • Lana Smiley says:

      What about factories, etc. and cars, Kar??

    • Lillian says:

      Don’t kid yourself! Not only causes cancer but other bad things like chronic bronchitis and emphysema. It smells, is costly, and nasty. My parents died of smoking related diseases. I used to smoke also but not in about thirty years. Drinking is not great either if abused. Why do we need all this stuff? Life is good without it. If you are stressed breath deep, meditate, see a therapist, take a break. And I do have a couple of friends who smoke. Their habit is annoying for all the aforementioned reasons. I know it is hard to quit. It wasnt for me but I am probably an exception. My parents couldn’t stop until they had already damaged their health beyond repair. Sure some people smoke into old age and are fine. They are just lucky. Some people never finish high school and become millionaires but most dropouts end up in low wage jobs. Don’t kid yourself about smoking.

  10. Ian Coleman says:

    While I’ll agree that some people actually are this offended by smoking, this intensity of aversion is fairly rare, and is usually the result of excessive credulity about the ostensible dangers of second-hand smoke . Really attractive people don’t have to worry that people won’t want to kiss them if they smoke. The young Uma Thurman smoked, and yet was still able to seduce men without much effort.

    I’m 65, so I grew up at a time when half of adults smoked, and you could smoke anywhere without anyone remarking on it. I myself didn’t smoke until I was forty, but I was never in the least offended by the smell of smoke before I started. When I quit (about ten years ago), I did not suddenly start to hate the smell of tobacco smoke, which is still, to me, a pleasant aroma.

    People who are grossed out by smoking are either neurotically oversensitive or are cultivating an extreme aversion to smoking as a display of superiority. If the worst thing that happens to you all day is that you catch a whiff of cigarette smoke, you are living a charmed life.

    Incidentally, when I smoked (about twenty cigs a day), I also maintained a running program. Smoking doesn’t noticeably diminish your wind If you otherwise keep in shape. When I was fifty I would often run five miles in fifty minutes, and smoke a few cigarettes on the way. Since smoking did no apparent damage to me when I did it every day, I find it difficult to believe that any non-smoker with normal lungs could possibly be harmed at all by the much-diluted smoke that smokers breathe out.

  11. Ian Coleman says:

    And another thing: When I was growing up in the 60s, probably half the children in my classes at school had parents who smoked. (Mine did not.) I never once noticed that the children from smoking households smelled any differently that the children from non-smoking households. And I would have had the acute sense of smell of childhood. So this absurd hypersensitivity to smoking that so many people display nowadays has got to be forced and affected.

    My parents, who did not smoke, had ashtrays in their living room for guests who did. Nobody in our family ever complained that our house was less pleasant to live in after we had had smokers over for company. That just never happened.

    When I went to university in the early 70s, and lived in a students’ residence, you could have a smoking or a non-smoking roommate. I was a non-smoker, so I had a non-smoking roommate, but our smoking friends would come over to our dorm room and smoke, and neither of us ever complained about it, because we didn’t mind. I mean, not even a little. It just never occurred to us that we were being poisoned, or that our room would stink. These are modern hypersensitivities that have been impressed upon us by puritanical non-smokers.

    If you smoke, you may smoke around me. I don’t mind. I do mind the superior attitude and aggressive rudeness of non-smokers.

    And yet another thing: In Canada, smoking marijuana for pleasure will soon be legal. Now that’s a smell, and everybody is going to have to get used to it. I have never smoked marijuana in my life, and I have a moralistic contempt for people who do. But I’m going to have enough consideration for other people to keep that to myself.

    • Ren says:

      Well said! I’m a former smoker and yeah okay cigarettes stink but this article is extremely judgemental.

  12. Steve says:

    If you could see the smoke coming from car exhausts. Cigarettes would be the least of your concerns

  13. Ian Coleman says:

    I could write a blog page called “Things your friends who smoke can’t tell you because they’d be shouted down and called liars.” Here’s an example: Smoking does no discernable damage to your health the first ten years after you start. Seriously. If a guy starts smoking when he is sixteen, ten years later he will be twenty-six. Do you see a lot of weak, sickly twenty-six year-olds around? No? That’s because tobacco smoke is such a mild, slow-acting poison that the young can just shrug it off. In the fifties, probably a majority of professional athletes smoked, and it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that there were Olympic medallists in some of the running events who were regular smokers.

    Every one of the warnings that are now mandatory on cigarette packages would be accurate if you appended the phrase: “after thirty years,” because that’s about how long it takes for health problems to develop in the average habitual smoker. Also, most of the worst diseases seen in smokers are obviously more common in heavy smokers. The two-packs-a-day and up guys. And yet, despite the clear link between the amount smoked and the consequent risk of disease, anti-smokers have gotten away with the ridiculous lie that a non-smoker can be harmed by breathing for a few minutes in a room that smells of cigarette smoke. If you believe that you are being gullible to the point of aggressive stupidity.

    Here’s something that people over forty won’t tell the young: The aging process is real. No matter what you eat, no matter what exercises you do, you will eventually lose much of the resilience and most of the good looks of youth, and there’s nothing much you can do about it. Your capacity for enjoying life will be diminished accordingly. Many of these anti-smoking zealots actually think that the effects of advancing age can be headed off. Bad news, kids, but that ain’t true.

  14. Ian Coleman says:

    When you get to be elderly you will be probably be amazed, as I am, at the radical changes that have happened in your lifetime to the lists of behavior that is allowed or shunned. When I was a boy in the fifties and sixties, smoking was not generally viewed as an assault on the health and comfort of everyone around you. People of all classes smoked and nobody (except people who practised severe versions of Protestant Christianity) considered it a moral failing.

    An example of something that was not allowed was swearing, which was considered a terrible social transgression, especially if you did around women. My mother probably went her whole life without actually speaking the main swear words you now hear everywhere, and likely never even heard them spoken in her presence more than a few dozen times. Things change.

    Another dramatic change in what is or isn’t acceptable as common attitudes to homosexuality. In 1970, when I was eighteen, gays and lesbians were despised, by most people, including the educated and otherwise politically liberal. It was a serious insult when someone accused anyone of being homosexual. Now it is considered severely disordered to believe that gay sex acts are immoral, even if they are practised promiscuously. ( Which is more than a little absurd since male homosexual promiscuity caused the North American AIDS epidemic, which killed at least a hundred thousand young, healthy North Americans. This was far worse than the epidemics of disease caused by smoking, which mostly kill the elderly.)

    My point is, the demonization of smoking is just one of those examples of herd cruelty against a disfavoured minority. The larger population pick a subset of people who are doing something for pleasure that most people don’t do and then it becomes okay, and in fact a mark of moral superiority and social class, to insult them. I wouldn’t be so resentful of this if I had never smoked, but I did, and I remember how mean people were to me until I gave in and quit. I’m angry about it.

  15. Ian Coleman says:

    So I just read over the page again, and Mr. Hafrey claims that if he unwisely gives a friend permission to smoke he will be “miserable” for the rest of the evening. Seriously? Miserable? That can’t be literally true. It’s a fake claim designed to demonstrate is his superior sense of personal aesthetics. It’s snobbery.

    • Jimmy Hafrey says:

      We appreciate your comments but this was written in the eyes of non-smokers to give the other side of the story. I am a former smoker myself so I’m not here to shun but we’re just offering all sides. With that said, I will always stand up wanting people to start vaping over smoking.

    • Joe says:

      Actually it does make you pretty miserable. Imagine having a bucket of sick strapped to your nose that what being in the company of a smoker is like, except it also burns your eyes and makes you unable to get oxygen out of the air !

      • Ren says:

        Not all smokers have a toxic cloud following them. Some dont smoke in their homes and most will stand comfortably distant from non smokers while they smoke. You are generalizing.

  16. Ian Coleman says:

    Actually, Mr. Hafrey, you really are offering all sides. You let me make my arguments, which no newspaper would allow. So thanks for that.

    These moral panic bans on things that people do for pleasure do not arise spontaneously. They are instigated and then enforced from above, by powerful elites. Take the persecution of gays and lesbians, for example. When the position that gay and lesbian sex was vile was the social norm (until about 1975, in Canada) the prime proselytizers of it were Christian churches, because Canada was essentially a Christian country at that time. Most people went to church, and took seriously the moralities that were preached there., and religious leaders had the power to shape common attitudes to transgressors of traditional sexual morality.

    It wasn’t just that gays and lesbians were held to be immoral, it was that people who consequently became extremely averse to them were proud of their aversion, which was considered a signifier of moral superiority. Now, of course, the shoes are on the other horse, and people who oppose homophobia are proud of their moral superiority, even while demonstrating an intolerance as punitive of homophobia as the intolerance of homophobia itself. (I am a civil libertarian, and I believe both that gays and lesbian should be left in peace, and that those who dislike them on moral grounds should be free to state those grounds. This is a difficult position to get across since both the champions and detractors of civil rights for gays and lesbians consider me wicked.)

    Anyway, the demonization of smoking has come from above. Once the affluent and educated classes rejected smoking, they decided that no one should smoke without punishment, and that is when the extreme moralistic hatred of smoking and smokers was unleashed. I could tell you stories of aggressive rudeness (such as being ordered to put out my cigarette when I was smoking outside, and the “offended” non-smoker was twenty feet away) that indicate mental derangement on the part of anti-smokers. These people are just plain vicious in their punitive zeal , as the morally certain often are.

    People who hate smokers are often people who themselves have never smoked. Not only that, but they don’t know anyone who smokes. So you have a powerful cohort of moral inquisitors who have the power to fine and shun and insult people who are outside their social circle and who, given the current state of antismoking laws, cannot possibly hurt them back. This bugs me boy.

  17. The Speaker of Truth on Smoking Smell says:

    Smokers absolutely stink. They reek of stale, nasty poisonous chemicals, I just finished with a man i really liked. He was plenty good looking but a) so am i, and b) the smell was so damn ugly. It was a real shame as I think without the smoke he would have smelled so nice. Sorry smokers but know this fact: that you stink, you reek of something very very nasty and no amount of good-looks, money or charm will change the fact.

  18. Cory Wipke says:

    I started smoking last summer after I discovered it helps my headaches by relaxing my constant teeth clenching that also contributes to my migraines. Besides the headaches, it also helps deal with stress again by relaxing me. Pot does wonders but it affects my driving too much.

    Most everyone around me smokes too but I’ve never noticed any smell coming from their hair or mine. I started getting disgusting looks from people and started using the listerine sprays which work wonders especially for the cigarette taste.

    I actually stopped for a month while I was off work but then started again after returning to work. Vapes are expensive at first but help tremendously save on cigarettes. Vapes don’t stink, there’s a variety of flavors, I can use them in my apartment, and while driving. My car doesn’t have a cigarette lighter or ashtray and I prefer not smoking in my car anyway.

  19. Kathleen says:

    I’ve been a secret smoker, oftentimes smoking a pack each day, for over 15 years and, except for two girlfriends (one who was a smoker and with whom I’d smoke, the other discovering it by accident) NO ONE knows. So being secret about it can, and does, happen. As to why, it has to do with the fact that I started late in life (curiosity got the best of me) and discovered why it’s so alluring but my public identity would conflict too much. Also, if everyone knew, I’d end up smoking 2 packs a day, something that even I set bounds on.

  20. Rob says:

    Its not a good look, it makes you smell no matter how much you think it doesn’t, and its not good for your health period. Simple question for all the smokers. Would you want your kids to smoke? What if your kid came home and said I smoke two packs a day? Would you say aww thats cool keep it up?

  21. Ian Coleman says:

    Well, no, nobody who smokes should start to smoke. This is unwise and will quickly become expensive, and after a few decades will probably harm your health. But that’s not the issue. The issue is, are people who hate smoking justified in their persecution of smokers? And the answer is no.

    Smoking cannot harm you if you don’t smoke. The real number of people who have become sick from second hand smoke (aside from people who have pre-existing lung conditions like severe asthma) is zero. You can’t get sick if you go to a bar a few nights a week, and people smoke in the bar.

    I understand that some people really do think that tobacco smoke stinks. I can’t emphasize with this, as I commonly don’t even notice the smell when other people are smoking. When I was a child I loved the smell of cigarette smoke. On the other hand I was revolted by the smell of alcohol, and in fact I have never drunk alcohol. But I don’t go around insulting people who drink.

    As a general rule, whenever some people really like something, some other people will get it into their heads that that something is immoral or unduly unhealthy. I know people who feel that way about watching TV. I know quite a few people who feel that way about looking at pornography. Everyone these days seems to feel that way about drinking soda pop. (Which I love.) But other people have a right to enjoy themselves, so shut up about it, and be polite.

  22. Francis says:

    I own an apartment rental and I never allow smoking or vaping. I refuse to be friends with people who do either of these things and I despise drug addicts as well. These types of people make me sick and when they die from their addiction, oh well.

  23. Michael says:

    Ian Coleman – You are delusional. Are you seriously saying secondhand smoke doesn’t harm people? What is your degree, where is the research you conducted, and how many scientists have reviewed it since you are making a claim against what is a fact at this point? https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/health_effects/index.htm

  24. Ms. Mortician says:

    It’s okay, us smokers wouldn’t want to be friends with passive aggressive, judgmental, whiny, douches with legs like you anyway. 😄

    I never really understood people who hate the smell; even when I was a kid, looooong before I took up smoking I LOVED the smell.

    • Midas says:

      You never will understand. The same way you cannot make non-smokers understand why you smokers trash your selves.

  25. DEH Music says:

    Respect people around you, If they comment on the smell they really mean it. I personally can’t stand it and If I’m high it makes me gag and puke.

  26. Wonderbra says:

    People are disgusted with all sorts of smell in the first place. Garlic breath, Curry and spices, onion, certain perfumes or a severe case of halitosis.

  27. Ian Coleman says:

    Well, Michael, the reason I don’t believe second hand smoke harms people (other than annoying people who dislike the smell) is that I smoked (often quite heavily) for seventeen years, and it didn’t harm me. So my logic is, if actually inhaling the smoke directly from cigarettes didn’t hurt me any, how could the much diluted smoke I exhaled have harmed anyone around me who didn’t smoke, especially when they were exposed to it so rarely?

    Anti smokers have convinced otherwise reasonable people that, if they can even see someone else smoking, that their health is being harmed. No one who does not have terminal COPD is that fragile.

    I will ask you this, Michael: Have you ever smoked? Do you have any friends who smoke? Most anti smokers answer no to those questions, and I will assume that you would too. So you have no direct experience with smoking, and I do. And I am telling you that, if you smoke for less than twenty years and then quit, it doesn’t hurt you. It didn’t hurt me.

  28. Ian Coleman says:

    When people disapprove of something other people do for pleasure they tend to exaggerate the harms of whatever it is. This starts out as a mild exaggeration but quickly tips over into fiction, and that is what has happened with the popular story (vigorously authorized by medical professionals) that exhaled smoke harms people who don’t smoke.

    I am the grandson of four absolute abstainers from alcohol, and two parents who also abstained. So my parents didn’t want me to drink alcohol at all, and they loaded me up with lies about the effects of alcohol. The greatest and most powerful lie was that drinking was a sin. People who drank were bad people. And second, but still powerful lie was that there is no safe dosage of alcohol. If you drank a glass of beer, I was told with a straight face, this would cause damage to your liver and brain. And it took me until I was over forty to get over that, and by that time I had offended lots and lots of people with my anti-drinking moralism, and had cost myself a lot of happiness.
    Anti smokers pull the same harmful nonsense. They call people who smoke losers and irresponsible jerks who don’t care about anyone else’s comfort, and they point out that smokers are usually in lower social orders. Those are actually the most common reasons why smokers are so despised. And I am telling you from much experience, the harms that are supposed to befall you when you smoke just don’t turn up for the first ten years you smoke. You don’t get high blood pressure or limited lung function in youth unless you’re already genetically cursed with those conditions. How many times have you seen a twenty-something citizen smoking? Did he look sick to you? Of course, most people have been conned into believing that he was, but no doctor could have found any difference between his bodily functions and a non-smoker of his age. It’s a con.

    • yourmothersir says:

      don’t care what people say… smoking gives me a sinus headache, which turns into a sinus infection.. it’s the worst. Have no interest in being around it.

  29. Ian Coleman says:

    If you don’t smoke and never have, and you have no friends who smoke, it is likely that it never occurs to you that is unfair that many people are mean to people who smoke. That is the nature of injustice; if it isn’t happening to you, you don’t even know that an injustice is happening.

    I’m a white guy and I live in Canada. I know that injustice befalls native Canadians every day, and the truth is, I don’t really care. I do not care that natives live in isolated communities and have high incidences of unemployment and all kinds of social pathologies. It’s not happening to me or anyone I know. Oddly, I care more about the injustice of persecuting smokers than I do about the cruelties that land on native Canadians, because I was a smoker. I just mention this to make a point about the personal nature of indifference and compassion to the victims of injustice.

  30. Ian Coleman says:

    A truly dismaying feature of the anti-smoking movement is that its proponents rely (and successfully too) on people being intellectually passive enough to believe utter nonsense. Think about it: If cigarette smoke was so toxic that healthy nonsmokers could be harmed by a few minutes of exposure to other people’s exhaled smoke, cigarette smokers themselves would have to be superhumanly strong to keep from collapsing in breathless agony when they smoked.

    The comedian Doug Stanhope has a good line: If cigarette smoking is addictive, why then is no one addicted to second hand smoke?

    Do you believe anti-smoking propaganda? Why? Are you stupid? You can’t be. You are following this thread, which takes some mental acuity, after all.

  31. RedFender98 says:

    I don’t recommend anyone to start smoking because obviously it is bad for your health and addictive but I currently am a smoker. I don’t mind if someone tells me to go outside and don’t take it personally but if someone lights up and asks them if they want them to go outside and if the non smoker says no but hates it then that’s the non smokers fault for being to passive. Also I don’t mind non smokers who don’t really care but I hate people who judge smokers they can go to hell and die lol

  32. Midas says:

    Actually, here’s an easy fix. Since merely taking nicotine is not as satisfactory as smoking, why can’t cigarettes be made to be smokeless & odourless?

  33. yourmothersir says:

    I choose friends who don’t smoke because I grew tired of all of these battles… No, I don’t want to have a sinus head ache because you want to smoke… No, I don’t want to wait inside awkwardly for 15 plus minutes every half hour while your smoke, or worst, I don’t want to be a jerk when you invite me out to smoke with you and I don’t want to be around it…. Yes, when you open the window in the car I can still fuckin smell it….. Every time I’m around a smoker I get a migraine…. I would rather not dance around this….. Oh, and almost everyone In my area that smokes burns at least a $100 plus on alcohol a week, and they are on food stamps… While they’re smoking a pack a day…. I have no interest in being around these people bitching about money while I’m barely hanging on and they’re literally burning thousands a year on smoking and drinking….

  34. FYI says:

    For the people saying that tobacco companies should make cigarettes worse so that smokers die sooner, id just like to remind you that cigarettes barely had a smell before they started adding all that crap. And that is why people used to smoke in restaurants; because they actually never used to be so bad at all.

  35. Ian Coleman says:

    I quit smoking eleven years ago. You may smoke all you want around me, even if we are indoors. I don’t mind. I don’t hold you in low esteem. I don’t think you smell bad. I certainly don’t think that inhaling the smoke you have exhaled will harm my health. I can say these things because I’m not mean, stupid, hypochondriacal or absurdly hypersensitive to minor odours, and I respect other people’s right to enjoy themselves with simple pleasures that are none of my business.

  36. Aaron says:

    As a decade+ long smoker, I really can’t believe I haven’t made more of an effort to switch to vaping. I’ve tried quitting, but honestly you really need to WANT to quit and I simply don’t. I’m not saying it’s right, but that’s how it is.

    But in regards to vaping… I think I’ve avoided trying to make the switch because I tried and disliked a very cheap ecig, very early in their existence. It was garbage and ended up giving me a negative impression of them all. I just ordered a mod yesterday and am waiting for it to arrive. Can’t wait to at least improve how I smell!!

  37. Dr. J says:

    I am obviously biased by the very expensive propaganda sold to me by my medical school over the past decade or so. It is just amazing that those doctors and scientists are so clever that they can create reproducible experiments and ‘make up’ statistically significant data which can be matched against other data collected all over the world to support that smoking is a significant health risk. I am forwarding this to my medical colleagues. I just wish that the insurance companies would get off our backs about talking to people about smoking cessation. It is a bit odd that none of my nonsmoking patients have to use inhalers and oxygen like many of my long term smoker patients…but oh well…it must be the pollution. Oh, and the nurses have to fumigate the room after they leave…and I have to put peppermint oil on my upper lip just to get through the visit. That’s probably because of those additives that the insurance companies made the cigarette companies add to their product to make it smell that way. It has smelled like sh** as long as I can remember, so this must have been early on. I think that it is probably JFK, Elvis, or maybe Big Pharma behind this conspiracy!

  38. Ian Coleman says:

    Ah, Dr. J. The evidence that second hand smoking harms non-smokers is inconclusive, and the conclusion that second smoke does harm non-smokers is probably a political lie that has been used to restrict smoking. The Environmental Protection Agency’s initial studies showed no clear evidence that second hand smoke was hazardous, which apparently was the wrong conclusion, so EPA activists went back and changed the confidence intervals of the tests after the fact. Statistical malpractice.

    You’re a doctor, and have dealt professionally with all kinds of terrible things, and yet you are so sensitive to the odors of smoke that you experience severe discomfort from the smell of patients who smoke? Well Dr. J., I’m going to have to say that I don’t believe you. In fact, I don’t believe you are a doctor, although you play one on the internet.

  39. Daniel J Schaffer says:

    I smoke when and where I want. A hospital or college does not need to have their entire grounds smoke-free nor does any entities for that matter. Just say anything to me so straggly pigeon chested twerp. As the character on Seinfeld said “I’ll put it out in your eye!”, There also would not be buts around, if we had some ashtrays.

    • Mk says:

      amen. Like they can’t even make smokers areas?.. What is that mess all about? sounds like discrimination lawsuits to me.

  40. Eric T says:

    Yes I’m a disabled vet living in a high rise apartment building. The woman next door to me is constantly smoking cheap cigarettes in her apartment. The smoke seeps into my apartment and causes my eyes to burn and gives me difficulty in breathing severe enough to need a rescue inhaler at times. Several people have come to my apartment and ask me if I have been smoking because she stinks out my whole apartment. And this is all through light sockets and access ports in the wall. It has gotten so bad that my doctor wrote a letter to the manager of the building complaining(it is a non smoking building). Smokers definitely bring stink and Ill health wherever they go. My sister is 46 and just had her first heart attack(from smoking). She still hasn’t quit and will probably kill herself soon if the statistics are correct. Smokers are just a sad, sad, lot. And the only salvation is to stop the smelly, costly behavior.

  41. Ian Coleman says:

    Well, Eric T, I don’t dispute the facts of your account, but you cannot possibly be that sensitive to cigarette smoke, on a purely physiological level. You are displaying a psychosomatic reaction. I quit smoking ten years ago, but my wife continues to smoke. So I sit less than ten feet away while she smokes every day, and I don’t even notice that she’s doing it. So to me, your claim that you can be harmed by someone else’s smoke when she is smoking in a closed room makes no sense. I mean really, what would be the dilution factor of the smoke you are breathing? It wouldn’t even qualify as smoke at that point. Certainly, you couldn’t see smoke in the air, could you? So invisible chemicals in the air that don’t harm normal people can make you desperately sick? You have a prior condition that would make just going outside around moving cars dangerous to your health.

    I smoke one day a year (November 25) every year. Does this harm me in any way? Do I find it impossible to inhale the smoke without coughing? No. And I’m 66 years old.

  42. Ian Coleman says:

    When I grew up in the fifties and sixties, anti-smoking hysteria didn’t exist. People smoked everywhere, they smoked around their children, and nobody minded. I certainly didn’t. When I attended university in the seventies, there were no smoking signs in the lecture theatres. You’d be in a theatre with 200 students, and about 30 would be smoking. And, the no smoking signs notwithstanding, nobody ever complained.

    The anti-smoking movement has given people the right, and even the duty, to be aggressively rude to people who smoke. And to someone of my generation, the rudeness of this, the appalling glee taken in insulting other people, is deplorable. I hate anti-smokers more than they hate smokers.

    And the anti-smoking movement is predicated on a lie, which is that exhaled smoke can harm people who don’t smoke. How can anyone believe this. Every day, if you go out into the world, you can see healthy, vigorous people smoking. They are obviously not harmed by inhaling tobacco smoke deep into their lungs. So how could you be harmed by merely smelling cigarette smoke? Are smokers superhumanly strong, or are you cursed with a constitution so weak that you can’t tolerate smoke? Of course not. If you are experiencing a severe physical reaction to smoke, it is founded in your own imagination. And you credulity in the face of anti-smoking activists. Wise up.

  43. Ian Coleman says:

    My father was born in 1919, and grew up in rural Saskatchewan, in a farm house that was heated with a wood stove. My father’s duty as a boy was to make the fire in the stove when he got up in the morning. He spent his childhood and youth inhaling wood smoke, which is much more toxic than tobacco smoke. Miraculously he and his six siblings grew up to be strong, healthy adults.

    So come on. This whole story that second hand tobaccos smoke is dangerous is predicated on the ludicrous and obviously false notion that people are so fragile that they cannot tolerate breathing smoke. Doctors, who should know better, will tell you that there is no safe dosage of inhaled smoke. This is a political narrative, completely belied by common observation, let alone scientific inquiry.

    Yeah. A lot of people hate smoking. They hate seeing other people smoke. Some of them flinch when they see actors smoking in movies. But they’re irrational and mean and obnoxious, and forget ’em.

    What would be an honest warning on cigarette packages? If you smoke and don’t quit, you will be subject to enhanced risk of ill health and death in your fifties and sixties. That would about cover it. Of course, no teenager or young adult can conceive of ever being fifty, so the warning wouldn’t be very effective. So the anti-smokers make cigarette manufacturers print warnings on their packages which are lies.

  44. Ian Coleman. says:

    An amusing side effect of the demonization of tobacco is that it has cut the cannabis industry off at the knees. In Canada, pot has been legal for more than a year. Moneyed operators jumped at the chance to get in on what was assumed would be a wonderful new industry, and now most of them have lost their investments. It was thought that, once smoking pot became legal, people who had hitherto shunned marijuana would take it up. But of course that didn’t happen because, given the success of anti-smoking campaigns, most people now believe that inhaling smoke is far more dangerous than it is. When I was a smoker, people would glare at me what I smoked within ten feet of them outside. People who think smoke is that dangerous (and most people do nowadays) aren’t going to take up a new pastime that involves inhaling smoke.

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